help, may have micromarring?

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01svtlightning

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ok, here is what I did. I had a awesome finish before but had some scratches I wanted out so I decided to redo the car. I fist started with the ssr2.5 with orange pad at speed 5. I then went to the ssr1 with a white pad at speed 4.5. it looked alright and decided to apply some pro polish with a white pad also at 4.5. again it looked good and decided to apply some ex-p with a blue pad but stopped when I noticed some fine scratches still there. I backed up a step and applied the ssr1 again with a orange pad this time at speed 5 and I liked the results so I applied the ex-p again with a blue pad at speed 4. I had to be somwhere so I only appled 1 coat and was going to finish when I got back home. well, when I was out and the sun was shining on the car I could see all kinds of fine scratches or micromarring I guess you can call it but all my big scratches are gone. if it is viewed from a distance it is nice but up close I hate it because it doesn't have that glass finish it had before. What did I do wrong? is it because I used the orange pad with the ssr1? I will get a picture up as soon as I get home. What should I do and what product with which pad? I want my glassy finish back!
Chris
 

BigLeegr

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Most likely it was from using SSR1 and the orange pad. Steve has warned against this in another thread.

Depending on how severe the marring is, you may be able to fix it with SSR1 and a polishing pad, Pro Polish and a polishing pad, or, if it's bad, SSR2.5 and a polishing pad, followed by either SSR1 or PP and a polishing pad.
 
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01svtlightning

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This is driving me crazy!!!! I decided today to pull it out in the sun so I could see if it was coming off and as soon as I got it outside the clouds rolled in and can't see them. It looks good in cloudy weather but when the sun hits it it is terrible. How can I do this in the garage and see the scratches. I tried the white pad with ssr1 and seems to make it no better. But when I try the ssr2.5 with orange pad its a little better. I am now putting on the ssr1 with a new white pad and then will try the pro polish with a green pad. Hopefully this will work. Any other help please let me know.
 

BigLeegr

Token Brute and Chief Bottle Washer
Staff member
Again, the orange pad is probably too aggressive for what you have. Go with the 2.5 and a white pad and see what happens. (Or a green one, if that's your light cut.) The SSR1 and PP would be for final polishing to enhance clarity and such. (Unless you are fairly experienced, then you may be able to fix everything with the PP.)
Also, are you fully working the SSR's? Maybe you are going too fast?

To see what's happening in the garage, get a lamp and take the shade off (or get a desk lamp focused on the car.) This should help you see the marring better.
 
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01svtlightning

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Should there be any visible marring/scratches at all on the paint when done. I have a little bit still, while in the sun at the perfect angle. I used the white pad with ssr1. If I went with the ssr2.5 with white pad and then the ssr1 with the green pad would that be better. And then follow up with a black pad for the PP and finally ex-p with blue pad. I am going to be posting up pics tonight of the before and now pics so you can get a better idea of what I have going on.
I don't know if I am going to fast or not. I put maybe a swirl or 2 on the pad and spread on paint and run porter cable on 5.5-6 and run it til it looks to me like it is transparent. I may not be doing it right I don't know, is there a video or better explaination on how it is suppose to look when broken down. How fast should I move the porter cable? How come my pads are always getting caked up and flinging balls of paste onto my paint. I also have alot of dust from using both the srr's, am I supposed to? How long should I use 1 pad before changing to a new one? Also, I had 2 white pads but now only have 1 because the cells ripped apart from the foam and became very soft instead of firm.
I like the finish somewhat better now but still think it can be a whole lot better for sure.
 
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01svtlightning

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Well, after trying the ssr1 with the white pad again, it was still just a bit better, not much if any!! I pulled the car in the garage and shined a work light on the side panel and began to work the ssr1 in on the green pad this time and it is again better but still some "hooks" or "marring". I don't know what I am doing wrong here. Am I going to slow with the machine and basically scaring the paint because it has already broken down, too fast and not letting the abrasives break down, too much product, not enuf product, wrong pad with product.
Again it looks awesome when light isn't shining on it. Bigleegr your help has helped alot but can you help me more!!!!!!!!!!
here are some pics of before when the micro marring was bad, some of what I did today with the ssr1 and white pad, and some with the ssr1 with green pad.
before when the micro marring was bad (used orange pad with ssr1)
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Here is what it looked like after using the white pad and ssr1 this morning
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And here is what is is now using the green pad with ssr1
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Poorboy

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From what I can see from your pictures, is that you progressed a bit too fast..the reason it was getting better with the SSR2.5 and the orange pad is because it still needed more polishing before moving to the SSR1. Depending on how bad swirls are and also depending on the type of paint, multiple passes may be required. What you show is not micro-marring those are swirls deep into the finish that need to be worked out. IF you are getting dusting you are using too much product. Make sure you don't prime the pad with water or QD's as this will make it even worse. Work the SSR's at a speed of 5-6 until they practically disappear. Check you pad often while working and use a nylon brush to brush away any excess build-up. Then proceed to do the same with the SSR1 with a finishing pad not a polishing pad.
 
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01svtlightning

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Thanks alot, I just got off the phone with you and I will try the ssr2.5 again with the orange pad at a speed of 6 and then apply the ssr1 with a black or blue finishing pad at the same speed.
As you stated on the phone I think I was probably not letting the product breakdown and was using to much product. I have some brand new pads on the way and will try them and see what happens.
 
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01svtlightning

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After using the SSR2.5 with orange pad again I have finally got on the right track it looks like. Here are some pics of my progress so far, and would like to thank Steve for taking the time to answer all my questions cocerning this. My whole problem was that I was not letting the product fully breakdown and was fightning an endless battle. What I thought was broken down was not!!!!
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